Currently I am left with the painful waiting game of keeping my new AmEx Bonvoy open till February 2020 just to upgrade to another Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant. Rather, I could be enjoying another 50K free night as well as a $300 statement credit in one year if I just had the balls to have gotten another Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant.
If I have know about this double dipping possibility, I could be swimming in 150,000 Bonvoy Points. This new approach would milk the 75k bonus for the Business Marriott Bonvoy, and then swap out for a second Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant Personal. According to Greg at the Frequent Miler, It would be possible to get both AmEx bonuses, as long as you waited out the time with the Chase Marriott:
I personally had the SPG Business so there is no point for me to attempt this churn. If you haven’t jumped on the Bonvoy Train yet, I recommend hitting the business and personal AmEx Bonvoy products, then replacing the business with another Bonvoy Brilliant.
Cassey joined the Navy via Officer Candidate School and served as an Active Duty line officer. She documents her adventures on the ship and traveling the world. She has since gotten out and has been blogging recently on her post Navy experience.
She has not reached out to me in any way, but I wanted to give her a spotlight here for all the active duty readers. This blogging life can only survive if we can cater to our 1,000 true fans. I just hit 200,000 pageviews here at Derp Report, and I hope to continue growing:
If you got a chance, please check out her vlog and youtube channel! Currently she has 15 subscribers, but I am sure she would be thrilled with some traffic from this humble little site!
The following is a guest post from Little Miss Traveler. She has been an awesome resource on spousal MLA datapoints. Her site should help bring any of your spouses that on the fence on board to this MLA churning. She has been compensated by having me host her referral links for this post:
American Express currently offers 3 separate Hilton credit cards: Hilton Aspire, Hilton Ascend, and Hilton Honors. Normally, the Aspire and the Ascend carry a hefty annual fee, but thanks to MLA, active duty service members and their families get this fee waived!! The Aspire comes with a 150,000 welcome bonus after spending $4000 within three months, the Ascend comes with a 125,000 welcome bonus after spending $2000 within three months, and the Honors comes with a 75,000 welcome bonus after spending $1000 within three months. What’s awesome, is that Amex allows you to get all 3 cards! So that’s exactly what I did, and here’s how:
I applied for the Aspire card in November, and after hitting
the $4000 spend received the 150,000 welcome bonus. Then, I referred by husband the Aspire (which
got me a 20,000 referral bonus) so he got another 150,000 points after hitting
the $4000 spend. We normally don’t spend
money so quickly but it was holiday season so we had a lot of expenses! So by the beginning of January we had
accumulated 320,000 points! Now it was
on to phase 2…
I applied for the Ascend Card, and after hitting the $2000
spend received the 125,000 welcome bonus.
Next, (you guessed it!) I referred my husband and got another 20,000
points for the referral. After he received his 125,000 welcome bonus, we were
By this time it was March, and time for phase 3 – apply for
my final Hilton card! After hitting the
initial spend, I received the 75,000 welcome bonus, bringing us to 665,000
Hilton points. I couldn’t refer my
husband the Honors card because he already had 5 Amex products (remember Amex
only allows you to have 5 credit cards total).
However, the Honors card doesn’t have an annual fee even for civilians,
so I referred by brother-in-law and got another 20,000 points bringing us to
The title of this post says I accumulated 750,000 points, so
you are probably wondering how I got the last 65,000 points. Keep in mind that between our 5 Hilton cards,
we had to spend $4000 on each Aspire, $2000 on each Ascend, and $1000 on my
Honors. That’s $13,000! All 3 Hilton cards give a minimum of 3x
points on all purchases, but some spending categories carry an even higher
multiplier. For example, the Aspire pays
7x points on travel purchases and the Ascend pays 6x points on grocery and
restaurant purchases. So after all the
multipliers, that $13,000 we spent acquired an additional 65,000 points!
Now the only thing left to do is decide where to spend these
points. I can think of no better place
than the Grand Wailea Resort Maui ;). We
have saved up Delta points via our Amex Delta Reserve cards and plan to fly to
Maui for 5 nights next winter…all for free of course, and as always I will post
a detailed explanation of exactly how!!
What’s crazy is that this is going to get infinitely better
next January because after one year, we can upgrade our Ascend cards to Aspire
cards and then in March I can upgrade my Honors card to an Aspire card. Yep, we will then have 5 Aspire cards, and
each one comes with an annual $250 resort credit, an annual $250 air travel credit,
and an annual free weekend night. That means every year we will have $1250 to
spend at a Hilton resort, $1250 air travel credit (which we will use to buy
Southwest gift cards), and 5 free weekend nights!!!
So I jumped on it today because I believe this is the best 3% cash back card that acts like a debit card:
Of course to get to the 3% carbon position, you got to refer the hell out of the product and complete these activities:
Not sure if anyone really has time for all of that. Here are the ways to level up:
Not worth spending $100,000 to get zero carbon, if you already have the double cash back from citi or the gold luxury card from barclays then you already get 2%. If you have the USAA limitless you get 2.5%. But if you want to try for the 3% and have a lot of friends then please use my link here to get on board:
I downloaded the app and registration works like Robin Hood. It acts as a credit card application and checking account all at one time. This requires taking a photo of your driver’s license as well as a credit card pull. Be warned this is going to count against your 5/24. Once set up I linked my Chase checking account via login and transferred $1,000:
I have 6 American Express Platinum Cards, all which get their hefty $595 annual fee waived by the generous people at AmEx due to our active duty status! Me and my wife (also active duty) each have gotten the following cards:
What is great about AmEx Business cards is an individual can get one as a sole proprietor by using your own SSN, and there is no wait on upgrading the card to the higher product. I went ahead and got the bonus and the gold and upgraded both to multiple Business Platinum cards. The main reason for doing this is the diversify your 35% points portfolio to three different airlines, all while getting $200 in airline credit, and then the $200 for Dell schwag every year.
From January to June of each year you can charge $100 on each Business Platinum Card at dell.com and you will instantly get a $100 credit. You get another $100 from July to December. You can also split charge over three cards max per order, and double dip with ebates:
After my shopping spree I was left with a $13 credit on one of my cards so I bought a $15 xbox live gift card on dell.com:
The smallest amount is $10 and the largest is $100, and sure enough my $15 card got reimbursed!
The gift code appeared in my Dell digital locker in 4 hours, just click the order number and hit the get text based key option:
and I added it to my Microsoft account under payment options:
On checkout I was able to apply the $15 towards buying physical merchandise:
Come July I am looking at buying $600 in xbox live gift cards, all stacking with ebates, spit over my 6 Business Platinum Cards. I will do this again in January for $1,200 in gift cards to buy this crazy thing:
Might be able to downgrade Brilliant to Bonvoy Plain to get 2nd Brilliant (unproven shuffle game)
Should Have Just Applied for a 2nd Bonvoy Brilliant
Here is what I got planned out, I have one free night with my one active Hilton Aspire. I looked at the Hotel Del Coronado in San Diego, but it turns out the rooms are all dated in the historic hotel. I just discovered the main hotel is for basic bitches, and there is an attached Beach Village at The Del, Curio Collection by Hilton with nights starting at $1,049! This is where the cool kids stay with it’s very own private entrance and pool.
I plan on using my free weekend night here, and the Hilton Diamond status would then waive the resort fee. Additionally since the place is considered a Hilton resort, I would have $250 a card to spend at the property.
Now my $250 airline credit resets January 2018, and my free weekend night will expire 03-Apr-2020. This gets me just in time to have my Player 2 get her own Hilton Honors Aspire as well as convert her Hilton Honors Surpass (Ascend) Card into another Hilton Honors Aspire card. With these three cards we can have 3 weekend nights at $1,000 a night, $750 in Southwest or Delta Airlines Gift cards, and $750 to spend on a 4 day, 3 night stay from Friday night to Monday morning all for free.
Come May 2020 I would be able to convert my Hilton Honors and Hilton Honors Ascend to two more cards as well as my Player 2 to convert her third Hilton Honors card to do the same thing all over again, but probably at the Boca Beach Club, A Waldorf Astoria Resort in Boca Raton, FL.
All of this work is worth it for 8 days and 6 nights a year for free, with $1,500 in resort credits and $1,500 in airfare. With the MLA waiver of multiple $450 annual fees, we are looking at an out of pocket cost of $0.00.
We continue the churn with our three Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant Cards. My and P2s free nights and $300 credits resets on August. On top of that I can upgrade my Bonvoy to a Brilliant in February. So I can book 3 nights in a row at 50k points a night at the Ritz Amelia Island with $900 in hotel credit. Here we can have our first official Military Churn summit with some local top brass!
Then every year thereafter we will be get the same benefits without opening or closing any cards. The perpetual churning wallet will be achieved. I might actually drop under 5/24!!!
My wife will still have her Business AmEx Delta Reserve which will give us a companion pass for first class every year. Not sure if its worth playing the shuffle game to get a 4th Marriott card. Any data points on getting a second Bonvoy Brilliant while holding on to one?
I currently have the Aspire and Honors cards, I clicked continue and submit. I intend to upgrade the Honors and the Ascend to two more Aspire cards. The application for the Ascend went to pending. I think it is because I just closed my Delta Platinum (my 5th amex credit card) last night and that hasn’t cleared yet.
My other thought is it has been exactly 90 days since I applied for 3 credit cards. There is an ongoing 2/90 day rule where you should not try to apply for more than 2 cards in a 90 day period. Any other data points out there?
There is one O-6 in Hawaii who successfully negotiated with Barclays Bank to continue his $995 annual fee waived on his 24k Gold Luxury Card. Last night he got his third “Luxury Gift” which was a gold maglight flashlight set:
This very disappointing as compared to the Ray-Bans and Cross Pens that we had received before:
I didn’t pursue getting the $995 fee waived on my Gold Luxury, so I closed the card in January 2017 after hitting the $200 credit one last time. I currently have the Arrival+, AAdvantage Aviator Silver, and Wyndham ($75 annual fee version) also from Barclays Bank. I don’t get charged the annual fee on the Arrival+ and the Aviator because I had them all prior to 2016 (before the 28 Nov 2016 Gold Card shutdown). However I get charged for the Wyndham card:
I figure that I opened the card after the 28 November 2016 SCRA shutdown, BUT before the September 2017 MLA implementation. I haven’t even tried to apply MLA on this one, and just paid it like a bitch. I wrote Barclay off as a complete lost, but then I got this datapoint today from reader MJV305:
So apparently they only deny scra and mla on the gold card. My 03 buddy has the black card and he says the annual fee is waived and he def got it after he joined the military. I personally wouldn’t even waste my time with the black card though.
Mjv305 on 11 May 2019
If this is the case regarding MLA, there are several card worth looking into:
Any data points out there on these other products?
Interesting discovery while reading about the MLA here, there is now an official site to generate a single MLA record. What is interesting is Reservists that are active 30 days or more get verified same as AD in this report. I ran mine and it gave me this letter and text:
This inquiry system has been designed to support identification of borrowers covered by 32 C.F.R. Part 232, which legally protects covered military personnel and their family members from excessive interest rates. This Federal regulation, which implements 10 U.S.C. 987, defines covered borrowers as: (1) A regular or reserve member of the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, or Coast Guard, serving on active duty under a call or order that does not specify a period of 30 days or less, or such a member serving on Active Guard and Reserve duty as that term is defined in 10 U.S.C. 101(d)(6), (2) the member’s spouse, (3) the member’s child defined in 38 USC 101(4), or (4) an individual for whom the member provided more than one-half of the individual’s support for 180 days immediately preceding an extension of consumer credit covered by 32 C.F.R. Part 232.
This inquiry system checks the enrollment of individuals in the centralized database of identity, military medical eligibility and enrollment, and benefits verification data on members of the DoD Components, members of the Uniformed Services, and other personnel as designated by the Department of Defense, and their eligible family members (called the Defense Enrollment and Eligibility Reporting System (DEERS) database).
The Defense Manpower Data Center (DMDC) is the Department of Defense organization that maintains the DEERS database. The data in DEERS is sent to DMDC from the Uniformed Services and DoD Components. The data is as current as the information received. The DEERS database can consistently identify most individuals included in the definition of covered borrowers with the exception of (4) above: an individual for whom the member provided more than one-half of the individual’s support for 180 days immediately preceding an extension of consumer credit covered by 32 C.F.R. Part 232. Some covered borrowers in this category may not be included in the database.
This certificate was provided based on information provided by the requester. Providing an erroneous last name or SSN or date of birth will cause an erroneous certificate to be provided.
I wish I knew more about the reservists, but I would encourage any of you reserve members to run this report during different times of your activation to see what reports come out.
An O-2 medical service corps reader asked me why I don’t have this card:
Simple answer is I don’t even know if Capital One waives fees for military per the MLA or SCRA. Please post data points if you got them! I don’t have any of their credit products, but have a 2% Money Market Account ($10,000 minimum). This gives me an ATM card with access to their Capital One cafes around the country.
I did a quick back of the envelope calculation on the known MLA waived products and determined we have much better cash back with these products:
The Savior card is a flat 4% on dining and would waste a hard pull and a 5/24 slot. The 4% cashback cah be beat with AmEx Gold at 4x MR on dining, with cash out with Schwab Plat at 5% cashback since each MR is worth 1.25 cents per point.